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Snow surfaces.

PostPosted: 30 Oct 2008, 19:38
by snowwizard
ENJOY! 5 by 5

Re: Snow surfaces.

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2008, 18:25
by cbender
Hey snowizard, I don't know from your profile what region you are grooming in, so what I about to say may not entirely answer your posted questions. I have groomed primarily in the Rocky Mountain west, and if we have found out one real truth in snow surface prep, it is that the more you groom it and ski it, the harder it becomes. At Copper, we like to stay off of the tillers until the groomers just can't stand the finished product any more. Our primary implement is a wonderful Pisten Bulley offering called the "Super Bar". We articulate off to one side which helps to break down any hard track or blade chunks while keeping one of the folding wings up (obviously to the ungroomed pass. This technique requires that all of your operators including the rookies become quickly adept at shallow surface blade dozing.

Regarding the other components of your question, especially wet snow/rain grooming, I would defer to my esteemed colleagues in California. Several guys including Todd Rudis from Heavenly came out and made a wonderful presentation on this at our Colorado Ski Country Snowmaking and Grooming conference last spring.

Otherwise, I've got a 2 credit hour course starting January 12th that will cover all this in detail... 8-)

Re: Snow surfaces.

PostPosted: 23 Nov 2008, 16:26
by snowwizard
New snow on the way.

Re: Snow surfaces.

PostPosted: 01 Dec 2008, 13:18
by cbender
Dear snowizard, it's easy to see how you got to the final photo from the first, but what was the original surface and what process was used to get the "roughed up" look in the first photo? 8-)

Re: Snow surfaces.

PostPosted: 02 Dec 2008, 11:25
by snowwizard
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Re: Snow surfaces.

PostPosted: 02 Dec 2008, 12:26
by cbender
Crested Butte is the only ski area in Colorado that uses that implement. They absolutely love it when the snow gets hard from over tilling.

Re: Snow surfaces.

PostPosted: 15 Dec 2008, 18:06
by 737layincords
we use mountain tillers here at killington as well, the way they rip up what could be confused with cement and gets beaten in by the tracks makes for a (usually) great substance to till in after. those chunks are most often the size of fists and smaller.

they also go out when we have resurfaced trails or receive some natural on top of the really hard stuff, it gets a deeper mix between the ice and dry snow particles than our tillers can get and often times comes out as a "packed pow" surface